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		<title>By: In Palin&#8217;s Rollout, a Worrying Degree of Essentialism &#171; Submitted to a Candid World</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] many women, Barack Obama was &#8220;that younger, good looking, totally inexperienced guy at the office that [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5278</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p8prclip, I think you misunderstood the post... why are you not an Obama fan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p8prclip, I think you misunderstood the post&#8230; why are you not an Obama fan?</p>
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		<title>By: p8prclip</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5277</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m a Republican and I just want to thank all of you who see Obama for what he is. As much as I want our party to win I would have to concede the fact that a loss to Hillary would have been welcomed compared to the alternative. Keep the faith…Hilary will have hers in 4!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a Republican and I just want to thank all of you who see Obama for what he is. As much as I want our party to win I would have to concede the fact that a loss to Hillary would have been welcomed compared to the alternative. Keep the faith…Hilary will have hers in 4!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Emmery Jones Jr Medical Record's Admin.CCS-P</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5276</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Date: Sat Sept 20,2008
Time:12:13pm

Re: &quot; Call me crazy if you want&quot; ..we won&#039;t back down.&quot;

 &quot;To whom ever concened&quot;

I supporting PUMA&#039;S  postion up until Novembers Presidential election.  So let the chip&#039;s  fall where they may.

Sincerely,

Emmery, Jones Jr
Medical Record&#039;s Admin.CCS-P
Meldevonne.Com Kb9ZXE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Date: Sat Sept 20,2008<br />
Time:12:13pm</p>
<p>Re: &#8221; Call me crazy if you want&#8221; ..we won&#8217;t back down.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;To whom ever concened&#8221;</p>
<p>I supporting PUMA&#8217;S  postion up until Novembers Presidential election.  So let the chip&#8217;s  fall where they may.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Emmery, Jones Jr<br />
Medical Record&#8217;s Admin.CCS-P<br />
Meldevonne.Com Kb9ZXE</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5274</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emmery, I appreciate that sentiment, but it&#039;s kind of warped. You&#039;re not going to be pushed around by the Democrats... so you&#039;re going to let the Republicans push you around for eight years? It doesn&#039;t make sense. Might reform from within be a better plan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmery, I appreciate that sentiment, but it&#8217;s kind of warped. You&#8217;re not going to be pushed around by the Democrats&#8230; so you&#8217;re going to let the Republicans push you around for eight years? It doesn&#8217;t make sense. Might reform from within be a better plan?</p>
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		<title>By: EmmeryJonesJr HIA</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5275</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Date:Tues Sept 2,2008
Time:4:13PM

Our point to scarifice  this election is to inform the Demoncratic Party, that we won&#039;t be pushed around under any circumstances...of the fact that our Hillary lost or was pushed out.
And so, here&#039;s to you..&quot;McCain/Paulin 08&quot;

Sincerely,

Emmery Jones Jr
Graduate:William Rainey Harper College
Meldevonne.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Date:Tues Sept 2,2008<br />
Time:4:13PM</p>
<p>Our point to scarifice  this election is to inform the Demoncratic Party, that we won&#8217;t be pushed around under any circumstances&#8230;of the fact that our Hillary lost or was pushed out.<br />
And so, here&#8217;s to you..&#8221;McCain/Paulin 08&#8243;</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Emmery Jones Jr<br />
Graduate:William Rainey Harper College<br />
Meldevonne.com</p>
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		<title>By: In Palin&#8217;s Rollout, a Worrying Degree of Essentialism</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5273</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] many women, Barack Obama was &#8220;that younger, good looking, totally inexperienced guy at the office that [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: greent</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5272</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there was a post on the WAPO blog the other day that sums up how many women I know feel about Obama:

&quot;He is that younger, good looking, totally inexperienced guy at the office that everyone loves, and he just got promoted over you&quot;.

And then that young man tells you:

Now deal with it, sweetie.

We will, because we have, and we have to again, but it is not easy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a post on the WAPO blog the other day that sums up how many women I know feel about Obama:</p>
<p>&#8220;He is that younger, good looking, totally inexperienced guy at the office that everyone loves, and he just got promoted over you&#8221;.</p>
<p>And then that young man tells you:</p>
<p>Now deal with it, sweetie.</p>
<p>We will, because we have, and we have to again, but it is not easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an excellent post, Ames.   Personally, I can distinguish between (a) Clinton supporters who have doubts about Obama and (b) PUMAS in particular.   We need to  respect that the first group may have legitimate concerns about Obama (even if I don&#039;t necessarily agree with them), and to engage with the skeptics instead of screaming at them.   Your response to Amy is exactly how we need to respond to Obama skeptics.  Unfortunately, that kind of mature perspective is usually lacking from commenters at liberal/progressive blogs.

On the other hand, PUMAS are a different story.  I can&#039;t treat them as anything but a destructive force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post, Ames.   Personally, I can distinguish between (a) Clinton supporters who have doubts about Obama and (b) PUMAS in particular.   We need to  respect that the first group may have legitimate concerns about Obama (even if I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with them), and to engage with the skeptics instead of screaming at them.   Your response to Amy is exactly how we need to respond to Obama skeptics.  Unfortunately, that kind of mature perspective is usually lacking from commenters at liberal/progressive blogs.</p>
<p>On the other hand, PUMAS are a different story.  I can&#8217;t treat them as anything but a destructive force.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/08/13/pumas/#comment-5269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Amy, thanks for a well-thought out approach to the issue.  Let&#039;s see if I can meet your concerns.

The fear of Obama&#039;s inexperience is a valid one; someone who doesn&#039;t think things through enough can pretty well mess up the government (see Bush).  But on that point, I think the issue is less Obama&#039;s experience than his ability to surround himself with experienced, intelligent people, and his willingness to listen to conflicting viewpoints.  Bush - by combining idiocy with singleminded devotion to an ideology, facts be damned - was a perfect storm of inexperience and lack of intelligence, but fortunately one that Obama is not likely to repeat. By tapping Biden - an experienced legislator, and one that&#039;s had no problem criticizing Obama in the past - he&#039;s showed that he&#039;s not only willing to listen to those that doubted him, but willing to put them at his right hand.  Granted, we&#039;ve had &quot;experience behind the throne&quot; for the past eight years, and it worked out poorly; but Obama&#039;s VP choice is a non-evil fellow, and a devoted and moderate public servant. This - along with his obvious intellect - makes Obama&#039;s experience deficit, to me, not a real problem. When I see Obama tap Biden, I see Lincoln&#039;s &quot;Team of Rivals.&quot;  Plus, Biden&#039;s an strong-minded fellow; I don&#039;t see him being marginalized.

Side note - VAWA was, indeed, a great piece of work, and it&#039;s a damn shame that Republican judges torpedoed it. Make no mistake: picking McCain means stacking the Supreme Court, means an affirmative end to women&#039;s rights.  I understand your concern that Obama would trade away women&#039;s rights issues, but I flat-out don&#039;t see a Democrat, and a fairly liberal one, making that trade. What, after all, would be more important? In any event, voting for McCain or not voting for Obama would be choosing a known evil over a 30% chance of evil.

As for his tax policy, I don&#039;t think he&#039;d make you poorer.  McCain is spinning Obama&#039;s tax policy as one that levies the burden harder on the middle class, but that&#039;s a flat-out lie:  unless you&#039;re making over $112k, Obama is &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;better for your pocketbook.&lt;/a&gt; The Republican&#039;s greatest trick was to dupe the middle class into voting for them, through a combination of lies &amp; wedge social issues. You&#039;re immune on the latter, since you&#039;re a pro-women&#039;s rights Democrat like myself; if you avoid the McCain lies, you&#039;ll be immune on the former, too.

I do hope you vote for Obama; he needs every vote he can get, and the alternative is quite bleak for what you&#039;ve described as your interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy, thanks for a well-thought out approach to the issue.  Let&#8217;s see if I can meet your concerns.</p>
<p>The fear of Obama&#8217;s inexperience is a valid one; someone who doesn&#8217;t think things through enough can pretty well mess up the government (see Bush).  But on that point, I think the issue is less Obama&#8217;s experience than his ability to surround himself with experienced, intelligent people, and his willingness to listen to conflicting viewpoints.  Bush &#8211; by combining idiocy with singleminded devotion to an ideology, facts be damned &#8211; was a perfect storm of inexperience and lack of intelligence, but fortunately one that Obama is not likely to repeat. By tapping Biden &#8211; an experienced legislator, and one that&#8217;s had no problem criticizing Obama in the past &#8211; he&#8217;s showed that he&#8217;s not only willing to listen to those that doubted him, but willing to put them at his right hand.  Granted, we&#8217;ve had &#8220;experience behind the throne&#8221; for the past eight years, and it worked out poorly; but Obama&#8217;s VP choice is a non-evil fellow, and a devoted and moderate public servant. This &#8211; along with his obvious intellect &#8211; makes Obama&#8217;s experience deficit, to me, not a real problem. When I see Obama tap Biden, I see Lincoln&#8217;s &#8220;Team of Rivals.&#8221;  Plus, Biden&#8217;s an strong-minded fellow; I don&#8217;t see him being marginalized.</p>
<p>Side note &#8211; VAWA was, indeed, a great piece of work, and it&#8217;s a damn shame that Republican judges torpedoed it. Make no mistake: picking McCain means stacking the Supreme Court, means an affirmative end to women&#8217;s rights.  I understand your concern that Obama would trade away women&#8217;s rights issues, but I flat-out don&#8217;t see a Democrat, and a fairly liberal one, making that trade. What, after all, would be more important? In any event, voting for McCain or not voting for Obama would be choosing a known evil over a 30% chance of evil.</p>
<p>As for his tax policy, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d make you poorer.  McCain is spinning Obama&#8217;s tax policy as one that levies the burden harder on the middle class, but that&#8217;s a flat-out lie:  unless you&#8217;re making over $112k, Obama is <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm" rel="nofollow">better for your pocketbook.</a> The Republican&#8217;s greatest trick was to dupe the middle class into voting for them, through a combination of lies &#038; wedge social issues. You&#8217;re immune on the latter, since you&#8217;re a pro-women&#8217;s rights Democrat like myself; if you avoid the McCain lies, you&#8217;ll be immune on the former, too.</p>
<p>I do hope you vote for Obama; he needs every vote he can get, and the alternative is quite bleak for what you&#8217;ve described as your interests.</p>
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