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	<title>Comments on: In Colorado, Where an Unconstitutional Constitution is Par for the Course, Life May Soon Begin at Conception</title>
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		<title>By: Mississippi Does the Right Thing for Once &#171; Submitted to a Candid World</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mississippi Does the Right Thing for Once &#171; Submitted to a Candid World]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] fetuses are persons as of the moment of conception. Good! Remember, these sorts of things are just all kinds of unconstitutional. Congratulations then to Mississippi&#8217;s taxpayers, for avoiding the inevitable, expensive, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fetuses are persons as of the moment of conception. Good! Remember, these sorts of things are just all kinds of unconstitutional. Congratulations then to Mississippi&#8217;s taxpayers, for avoiding the inevitable, expensive, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, they have a logical point where they go too far. But a discrete &amp; insular minority, discriminated against because of immutable traits going to deep personal identity, presents the paradigmatic case of invidious discrimination. If the legislature ought to be free of &quot;all of these protections,&quot; the last ones that it ought to lose are those covering people like gay men &amp; women.

And keep in mind that deciding against protecting gay men and women is NOT what the referendum item did. Rather, it mooted several cities&#039; individual decisions, which affected no-one but those cities, to affirmatively protect gay rights. These protections offered nothing more than a &quot;psychic injury&quot; to the rest of the Colorado population, and still they felt impelled to slap it down. So, too much regulation may be bad, but (1) regulating to protect insular minority groups and (2) a regulation that doesn&#039;t affect you are not examples of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, they have a logical point where they go too far. But a discrete &#038; insular minority, discriminated against because of immutable traits going to deep personal identity, presents the paradigmatic case of invidious discrimination. If the legislature ought to be free of &#8220;all of these protections,&#8221; the last ones that it ought to lose are those covering people like gay men &#038; women.</p>
<p>And keep in mind that deciding against protecting gay men and women is NOT what the referendum item did. Rather, it mooted several cities&#8217; individual decisions, which affected no-one but those cities, to affirmatively protect gay rights. These protections offered nothing more than a &#8220;psychic injury&#8221; to the rest of the Colorado population, and still they felt impelled to slap it down. So, too much regulation may be bad, but (1) regulating to protect insular minority groups and (2) a regulation that doesn&#8217;t affect you are not examples of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Conservative</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Progressive Conservative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;m getting at is that all of these protections being offered to various groups have a logical point where they go too far.

I think it&#039;s well within the rights of CO lawmakers to decide that sexual preferences are not the basis for special rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m getting at is that all of these protections being offered to various groups have a logical point where they go too far.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s well within the rights of CO lawmakers to decide that sexual preferences are not the basis for special rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t imagine what you&#039;re getting at. Weight is not a suspect classification so it&#039;s appropriately judged under the rational basis test of the equal protection clause; the legislature would be justified in discriminating on the basis of weight except where the classification bears no rational relation to the purpose served.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine what you&#8217;re getting at. Weight is not a suspect classification so it&#8217;s appropriately judged under the rational basis test of the equal protection clause; the legislature would be justified in discriminating on the basis of weight except where the classification bears no rational relation to the purpose served.</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Conservative</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Progressive Conservative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ames, just wondering if you could answer #3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, just wondering if you could answer #3.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true - good to see you around Charles :). The Economist article in particular goes over the deep political divide between Colorado&#039;s cities and rural areas.... Proposal 2 (in Romer) is a particularly scary example... Cities pass anti-discrimination laws, rural areas can&#039;t even stand it... disturbing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true &#8211; good to see you around Charles :). The Economist article in particular goes over the deep political divide between Colorado&#8217;s cities and rural areas&#8230;. Proposal 2 (in Romer) is a particularly scary example&#8230; Cities pass anti-discrimination laws, rural areas can&#8217;t even stand it&#8230; disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ames, great post, but I would like to clarify exactly what is happening in Colorado right now.  As Kris can attest to, Colorado is in a state of complete upheaval.  James Dobson and the zillions of churches in Colorado Springs (which is known as the Evangelical Vatican) are always attempting to push the state further and further right.  However, it&#039;s usually stopped long before this can happen.

Another factor:  Colorado is growing by leaps and bounds from the recently finished Denver Tech Center, which has created thousands of computer related jobs.  Computer techs tend to be a little more liberal, so things are starting to shift.  Last election, we voted in a Democrat governor to replace the Republican, and send more Democrats to congress; however Bush still won the state.  Since then, however, more techs have come in and more and more young people are getting involved in politics.  Also, many people see this as just another version of the South Dakota debacle.  This is obviously an attempt to prevent abortion (likely brought upon us because of the new Planned Parenthood) and people see it as such.  Remember the end result in SD?

On a separate note altogether, should the initiative pass, it won&#039;t last its first court challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, great post, but I would like to clarify exactly what is happening in Colorado right now.  As Kris can attest to, Colorado is in a state of complete upheaval.  James Dobson and the zillions of churches in Colorado Springs (which is known as the Evangelical Vatican) are always attempting to push the state further and further right.  However, it&#8217;s usually stopped long before this can happen.</p>
<p>Another factor:  Colorado is growing by leaps and bounds from the recently finished Denver Tech Center, which has created thousands of computer related jobs.  Computer techs tend to be a little more liberal, so things are starting to shift.  Last election, we voted in a Democrat governor to replace the Republican, and send more Democrats to congress; however Bush still won the state.  Since then, however, more techs have come in and more and more young people are getting involved in politics.  Also, many people see this as just another version of the South Dakota debacle.  This is obviously an attempt to prevent abortion (likely brought upon us because of the new Planned Parenthood) and people see it as such.  Remember the end result in SD?</p>
<p>On a separate note altogether, should the initiative pass, it won&#8217;t last its first court challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/09/19/in-colorado-where-an-unconstitutional-constitution-is-par-for-the-course-life-may-soon-begin-at-conception/#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe they can adopt Monty Python’s “Every Sperm is Sacred” as the official state song!&quot;

Masturbation is sinful not just because it involves pleasure of the flesh, but also because it wastes precious, precious sperm, which is life. What&#039;s that you say? Sperm isn&#039;t exactly alive and has only half the necessary genetic material? Well then, life surely must start at the next possible step and not a moment later!

They just update their standards to the next-most conservative option each time science proves them wrong (well, sometimes they update).

And I wanted to mention that I certainly appreciate the juxtaposition of topics here - gays aren&#039;t protected, but unborn fetuses (feti?) are. What, then, if the fetus happens to be gay?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe they can adopt Monty Python’s “Every Sperm is Sacred” as the official state song!&#8221;</p>
<p>Masturbation is sinful not just because it involves pleasure of the flesh, but also because it wastes precious, precious sperm, which is life. What&#8217;s that you say? Sperm isn&#8217;t exactly alive and has only half the necessary genetic material? Well then, life surely must start at the next possible step and not a moment later!</p>
<p>They just update their standards to the next-most conservative option each time science proves them wrong (well, sometimes they update).</p>
<p>And I wanted to mention that I certainly appreciate the juxtaposition of topics here &#8211; gays aren&#8217;t protected, but unborn fetuses (feti?) are. What, then, if the fetus happens to be gay?</p>
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		<title>By: j davis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is clearly the agenda of &#039;religious&#039; right lunatics. Remember the sleazy James Dobson has his cult headquarters in Colorado. Maybe they can adopt Monty Python&#039;s &quot;Every Sperm is Sacred&quot; as the official state song!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is clearly the agenda of &#8216;religious&#8217; right lunatics. Remember the sleazy James Dobson has his cult headquarters in Colorado. Maybe they can adopt Monty Python&#8217;s &#8220;Every Sperm is Sacred&#8221; as the official state song!</p>
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		<title>By: badkungfu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[badkungfu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If personhood begins at conception, wouldn&#039;t that make a miscarriage possible manslaughter?

Wouldn&#039;t you then need to investigate every single &quot;miscarriage&quot; to see if the woman caused it in some way?  Would smoking or drinking while pregnant constitute aggravated assault?

Since up to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Prevalence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;25% of all pregnancies&lt;/a&gt; may end in spontaneous abortion, often before the woman even realizes, should we monitor all women to know when and why a pregnancy ends?

If they pass this, I predict a quick reversal and severe backlash against the radicals pushing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If personhood begins at conception, wouldn&#8217;t that make a miscarriage possible manslaughter?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you then need to investigate every single &#8220;miscarriage&#8221; to see if the woman caused it in some way?  Would smoking or drinking while pregnant constitute aggravated assault?</p>
<p>Since up to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Prevalence" rel="nofollow">25% of all pregnancies</a> may end in spontaneous abortion, often before the woman even realizes, should we monitor all women to know when and why a pregnancy ends?</p>
<p>If they pass this, I predict a quick reversal and severe backlash against the radicals pushing it.</p>
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