Comments on: After Proposition 8: Our Coalition, and Our Commitment to Gay Rights (UPDATED)

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Apples and Oranges: Polygamy and Gay Marriage « Submitted to a Candid World — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:49:01 +0000

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By: Gay is the new Black. « Spreading the Word

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By: Apples and Oranges: Polygamy and Gay Marriage

Apples and Oranges: Polygamy and Gay Marriage — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:01:35 +0000

[...] Ames’ post on passage of California’s Prop. 8 generated discussion of polygamy as an equivalent to gay [...]

By: Mike (PC)

Mike (PC) — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:57:47 +0000

That’s my point Ames…I don’t think he even cares if the justices plan on helping out. Gays may get what they want but it will not through any concern of Obama. It will just be a side-effect of nominating liberal justices.

By: Ames

Ames — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:53:42 +0000

Mike, and Socratic: thanks for weighing in, but remember, the key to understanding political discourse is to look past the talk. As one of my professors said, “watch the hands” – Obama needn’t pull the trigger. He just needs to put the right justices in a position to do so.

By: Mike (PC)

Mike (PC) — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:58:10 +0000

Oneiroi, when you say, “…the struggle for gay rights” I think the rights you can expect Obama to support are legal protections for couples i.e. medical decisions and a couple other items that come up. What you will NOT see is a push for joint tax filing, marriage, civil unions or much else. And I don’t think this is because Obama is afraid of the political fallout. I think he genuinely is not that concerned with the gay agenda and probably considers it a distraction.

I think gays are going to be one of the first groups that are going to be disappointed by Obama. I don’t blame that on him. I blame that on superimposed expectations that do not reflect the reality of his position.

By: Oneiroi

Oneiroi — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:14:56 +0000

I always jump on this subject. Obama is taking the steps necessary for gay rights in my opinion that make him more electable for the broader electorate. I think he’s one of the most progressive on gay rights of any recent electable (and now elected) candidate.

And in his own words concerning prop 8,

“Illinois senator said he supports extending “fully equal rights and benefits to same-sex couples under both state and federal law.”

“And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states,” Obama wrote. ”

And I agree with PC in that it may not be his highest priority, but where I think he will be different is he will continue to vocally oppose any gay right discriminating legislation like Prop 8, repeal don’t ask don’t tell, and continue supporting anti-discrimination legislation.

And these are the small changes we can make starting now to continue the struggle for gay rights.