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	<title>Comments on: From Prince to Pauper: the GOP&#8217;s Inconsistent, Unprincipled Narrative on the Presidency</title>
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		<title>By: Mike (PC)</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike (PC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama is talking today about $50 billion for the auto industry. I think that&#039;s a misstep. Ian&#039;s right that he&#039;s going to have to put together a more comprehensive plan instead of the finger-in-the-dike way things have been done so far. And that&#039;s not just Obama. Everyone has been reactionary so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is talking today about $50 billion for the auto industry. I think that&#8217;s a misstep. Ian&#8217;s right that he&#8217;s going to have to put together a more comprehensive plan instead of the finger-in-the-dike way things have been done so far. And that&#8217;s not just Obama. Everyone has been reactionary so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7860</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find myself agreeing with PC in this case about the threshold for a mandate.  I think if anyone would win with a 15 point margin (at least a 10 point margin) that would be a more clear mandate.  Obama might frame his agenda that way as Bush tried to in 2004, although it could also backfire as it did to Bush.

Really, I think Obama and Congress had better develop a plan for quick action for the economy and implement it ASAP.  Otherwise, his approval will erode just as Bush&#039;s did.  After an election, people aren&#039;t going to care as much about vision but more about results.  Unfortunately, we still seem to be in the plan-of-the-day model for the economy when we need both long and short term fixes.  There&#039;s going to have to be sacrifices to Obama&#039;s election promises (as there would have been with McCain&#039;s).  And, too, there will have to be sacrifices on the part of the American people as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself agreeing with PC in this case about the threshold for a mandate.  I think if anyone would win with a 15 point margin (at least a 10 point margin) that would be a more clear mandate.  Obama might frame his agenda that way as Bush tried to in 2004, although it could also backfire as it did to Bush.</p>
<p>Really, I think Obama and Congress had better develop a plan for quick action for the economy and implement it ASAP.  Otherwise, his approval will erode just as Bush&#8217;s did.  After an election, people aren&#8217;t going to care as much about vision but more about results.  Unfortunately, we still seem to be in the plan-of-the-day model for the economy when we need both long and short term fixes.  There&#8217;s going to have to be sacrifices to Obama&#8217;s election promises (as there would have been with McCain&#8217;s).  And, too, there will have to be sacrifices on the part of the American people as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I will :). Keep in mind that 52/48 is big in presidential elections. But, of course, I&#039;ll also hang my hat on overwhelming congressional victories indicating a clear desire for the Democrats to take most of the federal government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will :). Keep in mind that 52/48 is big in presidential elections. But, of course, I&#8217;ll also hang my hat on overwhelming congressional victories indicating a clear desire for the Democrats to take most of the federal government.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (PC)</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike (PC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ames, by my reseach Bush had 50.7% of the popular vote in 2004 verses Obama&#039;s 52% this time around. If you want to hang your hat on 1.3% be my guest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, by my reseach Bush had 50.7% of the popular vote in 2004 verses Obama&#8217;s 52% this time around. If you want to hang your hat on 1.3% be my guest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The whining from the increasingly irrelvant voices on the Right like Schafly (Norris will NEVER be relevant) sounds eerily similar to the whining from the Left over the last eight years.&quot;

Certainly, if you pay no critical attention to the content of the complaints. It&#039;s misleading, I think, to draw an equivalence between complaints about partisanship during the Bush era from the left and now from the right (man, I really do not like using the terms &#039;left&#039; and &#039;right&#039; like that).

And anyway, that&#039;s not even really the point. The point is that the same commentators who held up executive privelege as this inviolable principle now abandon it when their inclinations tell them to do so, which is fairly indefensible and contemptible hypocrisy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whining from the increasingly irrelvant voices on the Right like Schafly (Norris will NEVER be relevant) sounds eerily similar to the whining from the Left over the last eight years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly, if you pay no critical attention to the content of the complaints. It&#8217;s misleading, I think, to draw an equivalence between complaints about partisanship during the Bush era from the left and now from the right (man, I really do not like using the terms &#8216;left&#8217; and &#8216;right&#8217; like that).</p>
<p>And anyway, that&#8217;s not even really the point. The point is that the same commentators who held up executive privelege as this inviolable principle now abandon it when their inclinations tell them to do so, which is fairly indefensible and contemptible hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ames]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of all the reasons to critique this post, I think arguing that Obama&#039;s mandate is equal  to Bush&#039;s is the weakest. If the center was louder this year, it&#039;s also clearer that the center is more in line with the Democrats than the Republicans. If he wanted to, he&#039;d be justified politically in going as far as Bush did with &lt;49% of the vote. Of course I hope he doesn&#039;t, because that&#039;d be one short presidency...

...but you&#039;re right, I think moderation and bipartisanship will become increasingly important, and he has the chance of making that work and abrogating Bush&#039;s legacy of all-partisan, all-the-time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all the reasons to critique this post, I think arguing that Obama&#8217;s mandate is equal  to Bush&#8217;s is the weakest. If the center was louder this year, it&#8217;s also clearer that the center is more in line with the Democrats than the Republicans. If he wanted to, he&#8217;d be justified politically in going as far as Bush did with &lt;49% of the vote. Of course I hope he doesn&#8217;t, because that&#8217;d be one short presidency&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;but you&#8217;re right, I think moderation and bipartisanship will become increasingly important, and he has the chance of making that work and abrogating Bush&#8217;s legacy of all-partisan, all-the-time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (PC)</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike (PC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately you&#039;re right Ian. But I also think that Obama has the most power to shut them up. If he governs as a Centrist he&#039;s going to make a lot of Americans pretty happy. That&#039;s going to take the wind out of Rush&#039;s sails to a degree.

What may have to happen is that the GOP runs a Rush-approved &#039;traditional conservative&#039; in 2012 and when Obama hands him his lunch, then maybe they will listen to the moderates in the party and work together. It&#039;s not fair to slam moderate conservatism because McCain lost. He actually did incredibly well considering what he was up against.

David Brooks has a great article on this subject today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately you&#8217;re right Ian. But I also think that Obama has the most power to shut them up. If he governs as a Centrist he&#8217;s going to make a lot of Americans pretty happy. That&#8217;s going to take the wind out of Rush&#8217;s sails to a degree.</p>
<p>What may have to happen is that the GOP runs a Rush-approved &#8216;traditional conservative&#8217; in 2012 and when Obama hands him his lunch, then maybe they will listen to the moderates in the party and work together. It&#8217;s not fair to slam moderate conservatism because McCain lost. He actually did incredibly well considering what he was up against.</p>
<p>David Brooks has a great article on this subject today.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/13/from-prince-to-pauper-the-gops-narrative-on-the-presidency/#comment-7854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a lot of whining going on on the part of Coulter, Limbuagh, Hannity and O&#039;Reilly right now, and Barack Obama isn&#039;t even president yet.  While I&#039;d love to call these sources &quot;irrelevant&quot;, they do have quite a following.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of whining going on on the part of Coulter, Limbuagh, Hannity and O&#8217;Reilly right now, and Barack Obama isn&#8217;t even president yet.  While I&#8217;d love to call these sources &#8220;irrelevant&#8221;, they do have quite a following.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (PC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike (PC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the same old song-and-dance we hear every four years. The losing side tells the other side they need to be more bi-partisan, more centrist, etc. The winning side learns that governing is harder than it sounded and consolidating power is the best way to get things done. The whining from the increasingly irrelvant voices on the Right like Schafly (Norris will NEVER be relevant) sounds eerily similar to the whining from the Left over the last eight years. It&#039;s sort of like when Bush had to nominate SCOTUS judges and liberals said he should pick moderates...it was a joke.

The only difference between Obama&#039;s &#039;mandate&#039; and Bush&#039;s is that I think the voices in the Center were louder this year and will continue to be with each successive election if Presidents continue to move back to the wings after they get in office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same old song-and-dance we hear every four years. The losing side tells the other side they need to be more bi-partisan, more centrist, etc. The winning side learns that governing is harder than it sounded and consolidating power is the best way to get things done. The whining from the increasingly irrelvant voices on the Right like Schafly (Norris will NEVER be relevant) sounds eerily similar to the whining from the Left over the last eight years. It&#8217;s sort of like when Bush had to nominate SCOTUS judges and liberals said he should pick moderates&#8230;it was a joke.</p>
<p>The only difference between Obama&#8217;s &#8216;mandate&#8217; and Bush&#8217;s is that I think the voices in the Center were louder this year and will continue to be with each successive election if Presidents continue to move back to the wings after they get in office.</p>
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