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	<title>Comments on: New Labour and the New Democrats: Lessons for President-Elect Obama, from Tony Blair</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/19/new-labour-and-the-new-democrats-lessons-for-president-elect-obama-from-tony-blair/#comment-7944</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just published a semi-response to this article:
http://layscience.net/node/297</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just published a semi-response to this article:<br />
<a href="http://layscience.net/node/297" rel="nofollow">http://layscience.net/node/297</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard T</title>
		<link>http://acandidworld.com/2008/11/19/new-labour-and-the-new-democrats-lessons-for-president-elect-obama-from-tony-blair/#comment-7946</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS the other similarity is that both a re lawyers and married to very bright lawyers and part of Blair&#039;s downfall has been his limited anchorage in objectivity and his willingness to argue a lawyer&#039;s case to anything.  Now with the different legal system in the USA, this may not be  an area where President Obama is at much at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS the other similarity is that both a re lawyers and married to very bright lawyers and part of Blair&#8217;s downfall has been his limited anchorage in objectivity and his willingness to argue a lawyer&#8217;s case to anything.  Now with the different legal system in the USA, this may not be  an area where President Obama is at much at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main achievement that is down to Blair is keeping the Tories out for 3 successive elections. As previous replies say, he did this by occupying the middle to slightly right ground linked with a lot of authoritarian rhetoric about being hard on crime, asylum seekers etc so the Tories were forced to the right.  It didn&#039;t cross their fuddled heads that a libertarian approach would have outflanked labour.  The Tories walked into the trap with policy based on what they called clear blue (in UK terms right) water.  They also of course had 4  different leaders in this time and they are still maggieolators hence the mess they have found themselves in just now.  She it had to be said was a pragmatist like Reagan and would rarely be boxed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main achievement that is down to Blair is keeping the Tories out for 3 successive elections. As previous replies say, he did this by occupying the middle to slightly right ground linked with a lot of authoritarian rhetoric about being hard on crime, asylum seekers etc so the Tories were forced to the right.  It didn&#8217;t cross their fuddled heads that a libertarian approach would have outflanked labour.  The Tories walked into the trap with policy based on what they called clear blue (in UK terms right) water.  They also of course had 4  different leaders in this time and they are still maggieolators hence the mess they have found themselves in just now.  She it had to be said was a pragmatist like Reagan and would rarely be boxed in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I&#039;m sleepy or I&#039;d respond more.... I think religion + trying to one-up the opposition, and be everything to everyone, was the fatal mistake. There&#039;s a poitn at which bipartisanship becomes being the other guy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I&#8217;m sleepy or I&#8217;d respond more&#8230;. I think religion + trying to one-up the opposition, and be everything to everyone, was the fatal mistake. There&#8217;s a poitn at which bipartisanship becomes being the other guy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: didionsmommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>didionsmommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ames,

i am curious, too, about the impact of blair&#039;s near-evangelical religious beliefs, which, apparently, were a source of simpatico with bush ... it seems to me that labour&#039;s platform (and, indeed, european politics in general) would be fairly agnostic ... i&#039;m wondering if we have a similar situation of righteousness standing in the way of adherence to platform ideals. that, maybe, this righteousness is an explanation for the backtracking/backstabbing during blair&#039;s tenure. it explains a lot of the nuttiness martin brings up and explains why it was so easy to bring blair into the neocon fold.

of course, it could be, too, that, like d-notice says, labour&#039;s implosion was due to one-upsmanship ... an affliction that has hit senate democrats on more than one occasion during the bush years.

great post, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ames,</p>
<p>i am curious, too, about the impact of blair&#8217;s near-evangelical religious beliefs, which, apparently, were a source of simpatico with bush &#8230; it seems to me that labour&#8217;s platform (and, indeed, european politics in general) would be fairly agnostic &#8230; i&#8217;m wondering if we have a similar situation of righteousness standing in the way of adherence to platform ideals. that, maybe, this righteousness is an explanation for the backtracking/backstabbing during blair&#8217;s tenure. it explains a lot of the nuttiness martin brings up and explains why it was so easy to bring blair into the neocon fold.</p>
<p>of course, it could be, too, that, like d-notice says, labour&#8217;s implosion was due to one-upsmanship &#8230; an affliction that has hit senate democrats on more than one occasion during the bush years.</p>
<p>great post, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (PC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (PC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ames, Democrats blocked more adoptions over the last 8 years than Bush. They put so many roadblocks up to stop adoptions, including resistance to cross-racial adoptions, that McCain actually discussed it in his platform and vowed to fix it.

Most Americans support 2nd and 3rd trimester restrictions with the &#039;big three&#039; exceptions. That is an enormous leap from Obama&#039;s pro-abortion position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, Democrats blocked more adoptions over the last 8 years than Bush. They put so many roadblocks up to stop adoptions, including resistance to cross-racial adoptions, that McCain actually discussed it in his platform and vowed to fix it.</p>
<p>Most Americans support 2nd and 3rd trimester restrictions with the &#8216;big three&#8217; exceptions. That is an enormous leap from Obama&#8217;s pro-abortion position.</p>
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		<title>By: D-Notice</title>
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		<dc:creator>D-Notice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ames, I think the answer to your question would be &quot;Yes, but&quot; as it seems to have been more due to them actively trying to out-do the opposition, i.e. triangulation, than idiocy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ames, I think the answer to your question would be &#8220;Yes, but&#8221; as it seems to have been more due to them actively trying to out-do the opposition, i.e. triangulation, than idiocy</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw the title of your article in my feed, I thought you were going to taake the post-election angle of Blair turning into an absolute disaster.

Where did Blair go wrong? He lied constantly, his government was as corrupt as anything that came before it, foot and mouth, obsession with celebrities, he and Brown turned out to be effectively neo-Thatcherites economically, and all of this was before he decide to adopt America&#039;s neo-conservative foreign policy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the title of your article in my feed, I thought you were going to taake the post-election angle of Blair turning into an absolute disaster.</p>
<p>Where did Blair go wrong? He lied constantly, his government was as corrupt as anything that came before it, foot and mouth, obsession with celebrities, he and Brown turned out to be effectively neo-Thatcherites economically, and all of this was before he decide to adopt America&#8217;s neo-conservative foreign policy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D-Notice, thanks so much; yes, back in the summer of 2005 I was working in Parliament, and the air was pretty doom and gloom about Labour&#039;s chances. Even the LibDems were looking like they were a more winnable party. So you&#039;d chalk Labour&#039;s fault up to more general political idiocy, albeit exemplified in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-Notice, thanks so much; yes, back in the summer of 2005 I was working in Parliament, and the air was pretty doom and gloom about Labour&#8217;s chances. Even the LibDems were looking like they were a more winnable party. So you&#8217;d chalk Labour&#8217;s fault up to more general political idiocy, albeit exemplified in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: D-Notice</title>
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		<dc:creator>D-Notice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>British reader here.

A lot of people over here have noticed the parallels between Labour&#039;s/Blair&#039;s landslide win in &#039;97 and the Democrat&#039;s/Obama&#039;s win: both came to power led by a young, intelligent, liberal-minded leader, on a mandate of change as the public had had more than enough of the corruption of the previous right-wing government.

Labour&#039;s problems started long before Iraq: early on they noticed that the way to get support in the media is to pass laws which appease the tabloid newspapers, which turned some people against them.

There was then, a few months after them coming to power, a scandal over a ban on tobacco advertising, from which they exempted motor-racing - allegedly because they had been given £1 million which was given back.  (Blair later went on TV and said &quot;I&#039;m a pretty straight kinda guy&quot;).

They also turned other people against them by reducing benefits for single mothers amongst others.

In their manifesto for the &#039;01 election - which they won due to a lack of any serious opposition - they stated that they would not introduce extra charges for university tuition, only to do so later on.  Then Iraq happened and with it the general curtail of civil liberties, including ID cards, anti-terrorism laws (including an attempt to allow the police 90 days before being forced to charge someone with a crime; they got 28 days instead, which is up from, I believe, 7 days before 9/11), bans on protests around Parliament and the scrapping of double jeopardy.

Labour won the election in May &#039;05 as although their support had collapsed, it fragmented between the various opposition parties and so they got back into power, albeit with a significantly reduced majority in Parliament (I believe there was a statistic which said that which they won 30 seats by about a total of 20,000 votes, which is nothing at all, and another which said more people didn&#039;t vote at all than voted for them).

It is very unlikely that Labour will win next time round, irrespective of the state of the economy - in fact the opinion polls have had them less behind in the past few months - mainly because they turned off people who had previously supported them and so a lot of left-wing people say that a defeat would be their own fault.

I can only hope that the same doesn&#039;t happen to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>British reader here.</p>
<p>A lot of people over here have noticed the parallels between Labour&#8217;s/Blair&#8217;s landslide win in &#8217;97 and the Democrat&#8217;s/Obama&#8217;s win: both came to power led by a young, intelligent, liberal-minded leader, on a mandate of change as the public had had more than enough of the corruption of the previous right-wing government.</p>
<p>Labour&#8217;s problems started long before Iraq: early on they noticed that the way to get support in the media is to pass laws which appease the tabloid newspapers, which turned some people against them.</p>
<p>There was then, a few months after them coming to power, a scandal over a ban on tobacco advertising, from which they exempted motor-racing &#8211; allegedly because they had been given £1 million which was given back.  (Blair later went on TV and said &#8220;I&#8217;m a pretty straight kinda guy&#8221;).</p>
<p>They also turned other people against them by reducing benefits for single mothers amongst others.</p>
<p>In their manifesto for the &#8217;01 election &#8211; which they won due to a lack of any serious opposition &#8211; they stated that they would not introduce extra charges for university tuition, only to do so later on.  Then Iraq happened and with it the general curtail of civil liberties, including ID cards, anti-terrorism laws (including an attempt to allow the police 90 days before being forced to charge someone with a crime; they got 28 days instead, which is up from, I believe, 7 days before 9/11), bans on protests around Parliament and the scrapping of double jeopardy.</p>
<p>Labour won the election in May &#8217;05 as although their support had collapsed, it fragmented between the various opposition parties and so they got back into power, albeit with a significantly reduced majority in Parliament (I believe there was a statistic which said that which they won 30 seats by about a total of 20,000 votes, which is nothing at all, and another which said more people didn&#8217;t vote at all than voted for them).</p>
<p>It is very unlikely that Labour will win next time round, irrespective of the state of the economy &#8211; in fact the opinion polls have had them less behind in the past few months &#8211; mainly because they turned off people who had previously supported them and so a lot of left-wing people say that a defeat would be their own fault.</p>
<p>I can only hope that the same doesn&#8217;t happen to Obama.</p>
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